Contemporary christian Music (Legalism issue)

My topic at hand is this, a lot of people on Face Book are really going hard after Christians for listening to Contemporary christian Music. Now before everyone just reads and assumes that I’m wrong and defending anyone or any music, let me clearly state that my issue is not so much the music, but the so called Christians that are going after other Christians for listening to the music and I will give examples. Now let me say, I am very open to saying if you claim something is evil, wrong or of the devil or what ever, I’m open to talking about the subject.

Now if you read the Bible in acts 17:11 it says, They searched the scriptures to know if these things are true. And in Isaiah 1:18 it says, Come let us reason together says the Lord. Here is one of my problems, Christians that claim if you listen to christian music that the music is of the devil. Now if you believe it is, then thats fine, all I want is to talk about this in a reasonable fashion and I want strong evidence from people. Now many of these Christians that attack other Christians for listening to Contemporary Christian Music (CCM) just provide vague, blanket statements and ignore bigger issues, In other words, they pick and choose what they will go after and ignore things that get pointed out to them. This makes them Hypocrites and shows they bear false witness.

So lets start with this, Jimmy Miller posted and article on face book saying this, Contemporary “Christian” music is of the DEVIL! A short list of these devils is: Michael W. Smith, Natalie Grant, Amy Grant, ThirdDay, Steven Curtis Chapman, Audio Adrenaline, Point of Grace, Jeremy Camp, Family-Force-5, Kutless, Addison Road, MercyMe, Hawk Nelson, Tenth Avenue North, Super-Chick, FlyLeaf, Skillet, Newsboys, Lecrae, KJ-52, David Crowder, Needtobreathe, TobyMac, Brandon Heath, Tim Timmons ,the Rhett Walker Band, Luminate, Switchfoot, We As Human,Casting Crowns, Sidewalk Prophets, Mandisa, Chris Tomlin, and many more

Now I admit and agree, that there might be some CCM artists that are wrong, one example given and I fully agree with was, Amy Grant. But just because one or two people might be wrong does not mean everyone is wrong and I get sick and tired of the blanket statements when people just blast everyone as being wrong. So in addition to this list here is a link to some you tube videos claiming to expose CCM artists as wolves in sheeps clothing, here is the link. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLI-TddyKErZTut4xSVCLT1xDlZp-xC2Qo

Now let me point out, First off, not everyone listed above is mentioned in this You tube link. Second of all Here are some problems that I have with these you tube videos. 1. All comments are closed, so my problem with keeping comments closed, Is no one can give evidence proving what this guy is saying is wrong, if there is any, and no one can ask for more evidence, or asking for things to be clarified or anything. To me this is a problem. Then my other issue is, When you watch the videos, every video is the same, its a set screen with a few pictures on it and a guy talking and saying why these people are wrong. There is no “Real” evidence, like Videos of the guy talking and saying, here is me interviewing Said CCM artist and him denying Jesus on video. So I just have to blindly believe this guy is not lying. It goes back to the old adage, if its on the internet, it must be true, and well its a christian claiming to expose these people and you know Christians would not make this stuff up or lie about it. Right (Said with sarcasm).

Now I have been going back and forth with a guy here on face book over this topic, and his name is, Bruce pepper. One thing Bruce said to me is, one reason why these CCM bands are wrong is because they look to the secular Music bands for inspiration. While that might be true, That does not make them evil. As King Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun. So we have Christians that are Chefs, or plumbers, or carpenters, or lawyers, or Doctors. These guys are all doing things that they look to others who are most likely atheists for inspiration, Does that mean we must start only looking to people claiming to be Christians? So if I need a plumber and he is not a christian I should not use him? If he claims to be a christian, do I question him to make sure are beliefs line up with mine? So If I hold a pre-trib view and my plumber holds a mid trib view I should not use him? Thats crazy. Then I pointed out to Bruce on the topic, if you go to a grocery store and it turns out a homosexual or Muslim is working, do you walk out? If you dont walk out, then by default your paying for them to be employed and your helping them out, so are you then partaking in there evil deeds? He never replied to that.

Now I also pointed out a few things to Bruce that he never addressed, one thing I said was, I guess the apostle Paul never Got the memo from you Bruce that we cannot look to “secular” Sources. The Apostle Paul came up with the whole Armour of God from being chained to roman soldiers. Paul was with them and saw how they were dressed and used them as an example. Then something else Paul said was this, Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. Wow, again, Paul did not get the memo of quoting sources other than christian sources. So I guess Paul used “Secular” Sources. That was never addressed.

Now I gave two CCM artists names and songs and I asked, what exactly is it about these people and there songs that are wrong or of the devil, When I asked this, no one touched it, they just ignored it, so I will give more info this time. I will name three CCM artists, there songs, and give full and exact lyrics to the songs. If you feel they are evil or of the devil, please explain how and why. First song and artist is Jeremy Camp, the song is “Same Power” and here are the lyrics.

Same Power:
I can see
Waters raging at my feet
I can feel
The breath of those surrounding me
I can hear
The sound of nations rising up
We will not be overtaken
We will not be overcome

I can walk
Down this dark and painful road
I can face
Every fear of the unknown
I can hear
All God’s children singing out
We will not be overtaken
We will not be overcome

The same power that rose Jesus from the grave
The same power that commands the dead to wake
Lives in us, lives in us
The same power that moves mountains when He speaks
The same power that can calm a raging sea
Lives in us, lives in us
He lives in us, lives in us

We have hope
That His promises are true
In His strength
There is nothing we can’t do
Yes, we know
There are greater things in store
We will not be overtaken
We will not be overcome

Greater is He that is living in me
He’s conquered our enemy
No power of darkness
No weapon prevails
We stand here in victory

Next Song, At the Cross, by Chris Tomlin

There’s a place
Where mercy reigns
And never dies
There’s a place
Where streams of grace
Flow deep and wide
Where all the love
I’ve ever found
Comes like a flood
Comes flowing down
At the cross, at the cross
I surrender my life
I’m in awe of You
I’m in awe of You
Where Your love ran red
And my sin washed white
I owe all to You
I owe all to You Jesus
There’s a place
Where sin and shame
Are powerless
Where my heart
Has peace with God
And forgiveness
Where all the love
I’ve ever found
Comes like a flood
Comes flowing down
At the cross, at the cross
I surrender my life
I’m in awe of You
I’m in awe of You
Where Your love ran red
And my sin washed white
I owe all to You
I owe all to You
Here my hope is found
Here on holy ground
Here I bow down
Here I bow down
Here arms open wide
Here You save my life
Here I bow down
Here I bow down
At the cross, at the cross
I surrender my life
I’m in awe of You
I’m in awe of You
Where Your love ran red
And my sin washed white
I owe all to You
I owe all to You
I owe all to You
I owe all to You
Jesus (oh)
(Savior of the world)
(Jesus) (Savior of the world)
Where Your love ran red
Your love ran red

Last song,
Holy Spirit
By Francesca Battistelli
There’s nothing worth more
That could ever come close
No thing can compare
You’re our living hope
Your presence, Lord
I’ve tasted and seen
Of the sweetest of loves
Where my heart becomes free
And my shame is undone
Your presence, Lord
Holy Spirit, You are welcome here
Come flood this place and fill the atmosphere
Your glory, God, is what our hearts long for
To be overcome by Your presence, Lord
Your presence, Lord
There’s nothing worth more
That could ever come close
No thing can compare
You’re our living hope
Your presence, Lord
I’ve tasted and seen
Of the sweetest of loves
Where my heart becomes free
And my shame is undone
Your presence, Lord
Holy Spirit, You are welcome here
Come flood this place and fill the atmosphere
Your glory, God, is what our hearts long for
To be overcome by Your presence, Lord
Your presence, Lord
Let us become more aware of Your presence
Let us experience the glory of Your goodness
Let us become more aware of Your presence
Let us experience the glory of Your goodness
Let us become more aware of Your presence
Let us experience the glory of Your goodness
Let us become more aware of Your presence
Let us experience the glory of Your goodness
Holy Spirit, You are welcome here
Come flood this place and fill the atmosphere
Your glory, God, is what our hearts long for
To be overcome by Your presence, Lord

Wow, these songs are simply ungodly pieces of trash that are just full of hate, praising satan, denying Jesus, and full of error. Not! please note massive amounts of sarcasm. Now here is the problem, If someone says, ok Rick, your right, nothing wrong with these songs, then we have a problem. The problem is, all the people that made these blanket statements saying ALL CCM artists are of the devil. So since pride will get in peoples way and they cannot admit they are wrong, they will find a way to trash these songs.

Now here is something I pointed out to Bruce and again, no one addressed this issue. If these Christians who go after other Christians for listening to Christians music and make these blanket statements and claiming all are of the devil and friends of the devil, and do not provide strong evidence, then what if I were to do the same exact thing? What if I said, all the christian street preachers who are going to New Orleans to street preach for Madi Gras are really doing it so they can see women walk around topless or expose themselves to these guys? If I said that, people would demand evidence and claim I am a liar and bearing false witness, yet these same people can make bold claims about CCM artists and those who listen to it, and when someone like me questions it, I get flack over it.

Now from the original topic, here is some exact quotes from me and Bruce.
Bruce Pepper said: God’s Word declares if you’re a friend of the world you’re God’s enemy these bands are nothing but tools of the devil to trick people into being a friend of the world.
I would rather my kids listen to death metal then to listen to Mercy Me. There’s no deception in that.

Rick said:
Bruce throws mercy me under the bus and gives zero evidence to exactly what they are doing that is wrong? Thats accusing and bearing false witness.

I replied with,
Rick Beaudin: I dont see how listing to CCM is being a friend of the world. Thats a stretch. Then the bible says, to the pure, all things are pure. When I listen to CCM I dont hear messages of death, drugs, or even stuff like, listen to this pastor or read this book. I think stuff like this is more a trick of the devil to get Christians fighting over stupid stuff rather than going after the lost.

Bruce Pepper said: All that shows is you just gobble up what they play and you truly know nothing about them. Amy Grant is a fornicating adulteress who promotes the gay agenda. on and on and on.
An you wouldn’t be able to recognize it, being a fan of the world, and the outwardly wicked things of the world your self. that is unless someone else liked UFC in your likes.
Nobody ever sings amazing grace like Elvis Presley, that doesn’t change the fact that he’s burning in hell today. The Bible says without holiness no man shall see the Lord. straight is the gate narrow is the way few there be to find it. come out from among them and be separate says the Lord.
God’s Word says, what fellowship does light have with darkness. we owe it to ourselves and we owe it to our children to prove what it is these people believe what their fruit is and how they live and most of all we owe it to God

Rick says: Funny that Bruce says that and yet does not do it, no evidence or anything.

Rick Beaudin said: Bruce Pepper, first off, I dont listen to every single person that sings CCM. I dont like Amy grant or her music, I know all about her and dont promote her in any way. Then have you heard any music by Chris Tomlin? He signs, at the cross. Whats ungodly about that song? Then you dont like the ufc and I do. So what? That does not make me friends of the world. Its men fighting, men do that. God is a warrior and a fighter. OT men fought, Men in the military fight. Israel teaches krav maga. I did judo and jujitsu, so I understand and appreciate the sport. I was able to share Jesus with people, and many fighters do know Jesus and hold bible studies. Yet you can say 100 percent with certainty they are not saved? Wow, I never knew you were God.

Bruce Pepper said: If you spend more time learning and obeying your Bible, friend you would know the answer to these things your self.

Rick Beaudin said: Ok, go listen to my radio show, on my website. Www.fightingfortruth.com. After you listen to a few of my shows on podcast form then come back and tell me what I’m wrong about or how I dont know scripture. If need be I will be more than happy to have you on my show and you can tell my listeners where I’m wrong and we can talk on air. Because I’m really tired of all this self righteous attitudes from Christians. Everything they dont like or agree with is shoved upon other Christians. We might as well as go back to the shepherding doctrine and well all come to you and ask for permission. If you choose not to listen to my shows then you cannot tell me I dont know anything since you claim I dont know scripture and either prove it or dont bear false witness.

Bruce Pepper said: I’ll listen to as much as I can stand. The Bible commands modesty. 4 – half naked men to beat each other to gain a worldly corruptible crown, is not Christianity and for you to think that it is your deceived.

Rick said:
So I really suspect Bruce will not listen to my show and tell me where I am wrong. And I can tell anyone who has never listened to my show, I am no soft spoken, tickle your ears kind of Joel Osteen type of guy. I dont hold back, tell it like it is and go after anyone and everyone, and put out the challenge of, if you think I am wrong, come on my show and debate me.

Now here is some more things that I feel many of these Christians are getting to the point of being self righteous hypocrites. There is two different face book christian street preachers, one guy named Allen Puckett, claimed if you love foot ball you cannot be saved. Wow I did not know Allen was God and had the ability to state who could be saved and why. He also stated if you watch foot ball your a wicked person who hates sinners and he ended it with PASTORS!!!!!!
I did not know he knew peoples hearts and was aware that they hated people if they watched foot ball. Now we have a 2nd well respected street preacher that I really like and have no issues with, he posted an article on foot ball and said in the article it was about high school or college foot ball. In the article it was more focused on the cheer leaders and how they went to court to fight to have a banner with a bible verse on it. you can look up the article by Ruben I sreal. I asked him in this article about what Allen said, Ruben said no one will go to hell for watching foot ball, and one person that read the article was bashing the cheer leaders
for the way they dress. Unlike many of these Christians, Ruben tried showing some grace and said about the cheer leaders, can you be happy to just receive a crumb? He was basically saying, these people were complaining about the way the cheerleaders were dressed and Ruben was praising them for trying to fight the school and get a verse on the banner. When I pointed this out to Allen, he unfriended me and claimed I was trying to pit him against a fellow street preacher.

I said, thats not true, my point was/is, two christian street preachers cannot agree, and so if you cannot agree, then who is right and who is wrong and why?
Now here is something I did with Bruce. Many of the Christians who post and speak out against sports, or CCM or having tattoos, Etc come across as very Self righteous and try and act as if they are perfect and do nothing wrong, yet everyone who likes these things are sinners going to hell. So what I did was, I looked over Bruce’s face book friends list. He was giving me a hard time for listening to CCM and watching Mixed Martial Arts in the way of the UFC. So what did I find in his friends list? Well let me tell you. I replied to Bruce under the topic with this, Rick Beaudin said: Bruce Pepper, here’s the best one yet. When people send you a friend request, do you blindly accept them? Or do you view there profile first? Do you blindly send out friend requests? I was looking through your friends list on your timeline. One is a guy, he’s posing in a DOJO with his friends/team, they are all about the samurai fighting style, did you go and confront them? Then there was one lady, some pretty profane stuff she’s got posted as far as swearing and things. Then one photo broken into like 10 little pictures with all sorts of women dressed in ways exposing themselves and almost naked. Did you confront her? No, I doubt you care, yet you can jump on this topic and call out Christians over christian music. Hypocrite, you’ve been warned.

Then in another case, there was another Face Book Christian who posted this topic, (I wonder how many so called, “Christians” missed church tonight just so they could watch the Super Bowl? Wicked! They have made football their god. I like football it teaches sportsmanship, discipline and team work but when you put it before the Lord that’s when it become’s a problem. These Athletes didn’t die for you and your sins, JESUS DID!)

Now if he wants to go after Christians for watching foot ball, then fine, but here is my issue with him, This guy from face book, Duraid Alshahath was replying to the foot ball topic by posting verses from the Quran, here is what he said,

Duraid Alshahath [62.11] Yet when they see some commerce or amusement they flock to it, leaving you standing. Say: ‘That which is with Allah is better than the amusement and commerce. Allah is the Best of Providers.

I replied with,
Rick Beaudin Wow, quoting from the unholy Quran.

He said,
Duraid Alshahath [61.14] Believers, be the helpers of Allah. When (Prophet) Jesus, the son of Mary said to the disciples: ‘Who will be my helpers unto Allah? ‘ The disciples replied: ‘We will be the helpers of Allah. ‘ A party of the Children of Israel believed, and a party disbelieved. So, We supported those who believed against their enemy, and they overcame.

I replied with,
Rick Beaudin The Quran is not the word of God, the quran is the word of satan given to a child molesting god hating pagan. Why are you quoting from it? You Muslim.

He then replies with a bible verse,
Duraid Alshahath Rick Beaudin MARK 12-29

29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Rick Beaudin I have no problem with the bible, and I know what it says. But if you call yourself a christian, why are you quoting from a book that teaches Jews and christians and Muslims who walk away from the faith, must die? And a unholy, ungodly book that teaches the trinity is false and people who teach it must die and will go to hell.

Then he provided a link to a youtube video of some guy who converted to Islam, and this guys was praising how awesome Islam is, and he sent me a friend request. I declined and left this reply.

Rick Beaudin So your a muslim, thats great great, Not, your heading to hell for following a God hating false religion. Just so you are aware, I am fully aware of what the Quran teaches. I know , because I am reading from the quran live on my radio show over the internet. I am not reading it word for word on my show, but in some cases I do read from entire Surahs and in most cases I read long sections for people to hear for themselves exactly what the Quran says. The book is evil and not from the God of the Bible. In case you want to hear me read from the quran. Www.fightingfortruth.com all my past shows are in podcast form.

Now you might ask, whats this have to do with CCM? Well just like people arguing over CCM and complaining about it, yet they ignore the bigger issues, like people friending people that post wicked things like porn, or how people claim I am wrong for watching the UFC but taking friend requests by the same types of people and you Christians say nothing. Or whats worse, Christians listening to CCM or Christians not speaking up when So called Christians post quotes from the Quran on your topics and you sit by and say nothing? I see these things way more often than people care to admit and it just gets really old and tiring, Christians being Hypocrites by what they say and refuse to address and deal with things that are more important.