Homosexuality issue part 1

In part one, I cover the three verses from the OT that Matthew mentions. Part two will cover the three verses from the NT that Matthew mentions.

This newest post will cover again the issue of homosexuality and the ignorance of many people who try to defend it.
I have noticed a serious trend among people who range from atheists to people who claim many different various religions. Here is the issue. I was looking on a friend’s facebook account at the topic of homosexuality and how an author, Matthew Vines, had a video that talked about 6 bible verses that talk about homosexuality. According to him, this is what they really mean. So here is a link to view the video M-Vines. I posted that I have a website and some podcasts stating I did a two-part series covering these verses from a friend of Matthew; his name is Justin Lee. I simply said that I can and have addressed all the issues that Matthew brings up, and less than 5 minutes later someone posts that they will not go to my website and stated how ignorant I am.

I pointed out to this person a few truths. They were the ignorant person since they admitted they don’t care what I said and did not want to know what I said. They admitted they will not visit my website, so how can they claim I am ignorant when they don’t know what I said? This also shows a huge amount of hypocrisy since this person as well as many others claim we Christians cherry-pick Bible verses and don’t really know the Bible as well as we claim. All these types of people can do is call names and attack others, but have no real answers and cannot really defend what they believe. I sadly find that this happens way more often than people care to admit or think about. The issue is that people are claiming Christians are wrong or were ignorant, all the while these people won’t and cannot honestly debate people like me or show us where and how we’re wrong. In addition to my two podcasts on this issue, I will also write about it and add a few more things that were not in my radio shows.

First, I want to ask a question. Why do people, be it atheists or people of any given religion give Christians a hard time on the issue of homosexuality and claim we cherry-pick verses from the Bible, or claim we hate gay people, and they devote youtube videos and create websites to debate all of these things? Yet, when it comes to looking at what Muslims believe and teach, the homosexuals are silent on this issue. I think it’s really sad that even the homosexuals will not go after Muslims on this issue. I don’t see homosexuals going over to Iran, Iraq, or any heavy populated country that is run by Muslims. They openly claim that they kill homosexuals and do not tolerate them. Funny how I never meet a Christian that says, we will kill you for being gay. If you go over to Israel or any country that has lots of Christians running around, they’re not claiming that they will kill you. Muslims do, and guess what? The homosexuals target the Christians and not Muslims. Why? Are they scared? I bet that’s the case.

Secondly, why do homosexuals claim they love people of the same sex? Let’s use men first for this example. Why do we have two gay men, but one sounds and acts like a women? I’m not talking transgender. I’m talking two gay men, but one starts to act as if he is a female, talks with a feminine voice, grows his hair long as a women, and/or tries walking almost like a women. Or take two lesbians- one acts like a man, dresses like a man, cuts her hair real short, tries talking with a masculine voice, etc. If you’re a man and want a women, get one! Or if you’re a women and want a man, get one! Don’t be a man who finds another man and then has them act like a women, or a women who finds a women and has her act like a man. To me, that’s no different than the vegans and vegetarians who claim to hate eating meat, yet start naming vegetable and plant based meals after meat products, like Toufurkey or making vegan cheese or soy bacon. Either eat meat or don’t; either claim to want to be gay and own it or don’t.

In Matthew Vines’ book, “God and the Gay Christian,” the author addressed six passages that he argues are the main barriers to homosexuals being embraced as Christians: Genesis 19:5; Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9; and 1 Timothy 1:10. His goal is to give a fresh view of old words, “to clarify…understanding of Scripture” (424). In Vines’ view, sexual orientation cannot be changed (489), but meaning of Scripture can. I believe that God’s Word doesn’t change, but sexual orientation can. How come Matthew claims sexual orientation cannot be changed, yet he ignores the fact that many homosexuals have come to know Jesus as Lord and then stopped living that life style, they either have married the opposite sex, or they admit that they will remain celibate and claim they no longer have feelings for the same sex. So, on that point, as with others, Matthew is clueless.

Vines neglected verses about homosexuality. He only discussed six passages summarized above. He side-stepped important verses like: 1 Cor. 6:9-10 that states homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven or 1 Cor. 7:2 (“But because of cases of sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband”); Mark 10:6-9 (God made male and female in the beginning to join together as one flesh; “Therefore, what God has joined together, let no one separate”); and Hebrews 13:4 (“Let marriage be held in honor by all, and let the marriage bed be kept undefiled; for God will judge fornicators and adulterers”). Also, he did not address debatable, but challenging verses, about sexual immorality (Acts 15:29; 1 Cor. 5:1; 1 Cor. 10:8; 2 Cor. 12:21; Gal. 5:19; Eph. 5:3; Col. 3:5; 1 Thess. 4:3-5; and Rev. 21:8). Even liberal Christians acknowledge that sexual immorality includes homosexual pederasty, which means, “sexual activity involving a man and a boy.”

Let’s go over all the verses Matthew uses and start with Genesis 19:5: “And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.”

Matthew claims that this verse in Genesis is the start of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and he claims that many people claim that God destroyed these cities for the reason of them being homosexuals. He claims this is false. Now, as a Bible believing Christian I agree with Matthew on this point, the cities were not destroyed for the reason of homosexuality. The Bible says pride is the first reason why the cities were destroyed by God.

“Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.” (Ezekiel 16:49, 50 KJV)

Now, I agree with this passage and want to say this: when homosexuals use this verse to say Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for these other reasons, they don’t tell the whole story. Here is what they don’t tell people, and I believe they purposely ignore all the things I am going to say, the first word in the Ezekiel passage is pride. That’s the first and foremost reason God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Homosexuals are full of pride and the Bible condemns pride and says that pride is the sin of the devil. All over the United States we have gay pride parades, homosexuals claiming gay pride, bumper stickers stating gay pride, etc. There’s a reason why the homosexuals don’t mention these things. It’s because they know what the Bible teaches and if they mention these things, then they know they will be held accountable and really cannot refute them or change them to say what they want.

Now, let’s look at some verses that mention pride.
Proverbs 8:13 “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.”

Proverbs 11:2 “When pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly is wisdom.”

Mark 7:21-23 “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”

1st Timothy 3:6 “Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.”

1st John 2:16 “For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.”

Now the word pride appears in the KJV of the Bible 49 times, and almost every use of Pride is equated with evil in some way. The few times it is not are when it talks about a sea creature in the book of Job and when it speaks of Israel. If Matthew and Justin Lee were really truly honest and want the truth, they would address these issues. It is no real surprise that they cannot or will not. These types of people accuse Christians that don’t agree with them of cherry-picking verses. I added verses that they never touched, so it seems they are the ones cherry-picking, not me.

Now onto these verses: Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 20:13.

Lev 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

Lev 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”

Lets start with Lev 18:22 first. Matthew claims there are other things in the O.T. that are abominations, like eating shellfish and having intercourse with a women while she is bleeding. Then, he uses Hebrews 8:13: “In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”

Matthew, along with many other people, most likely have either never read the Bible, or they read it and either understand what it says, and simply mislead people by claiming things they know are wrong, or they don’t understand it and that’s why they believe what they do. So to explain all of this better, let’s go back to the beginning: Genesis.

We we start from the beginning and we find only the human race – no Jew, and no Gentile existed. The laws and priesthood did not exist. Here is the start of the Jewish nation:
Gen 17:9 “And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.”

Gen 17:10 “This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.”

Gen 17:11 “And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.”

Now, over in Exodus we find God saying:

Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Exo 19:6 “And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.”

This was never said about any other people group or nation. The Jews were set apart and are being used by God.
The point of all of this is to help explain the purposes of all of the laws that many seem to fail to understand. The whole purpose of the nation of Israel was to be a light to the people and nations around them. But if they lived and acted like everyone else, how could they be a light to the nations?
Part of all of this was having a high priest who could stand before God and hear from God, then the priest would speak to the people. But the priest is like everyone else, he is a sinful human being and needed to have his sins removed. So they would sacrifice animals, like bulls and sheep.

Now all these laws given to the Jews, like not eating shellfish or having intercourse with a women who is bleeding or sleeping with animals or homosexuality, were to help keep the Jews separate from all the nations that did these things, and to keep them clean and pure.

Matthew either has no clue what he is talking about, or he is purposely leaving out information so he can believe what he wants and convince people his lifestyle is ok in the eyes of God. God did not create this old system and just toss it away as if it was a mistake, and then have this new system. This is where many people go wrong. Here is what Jesus said to the religious leaders: John 5:39 “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of Me.”

When Jesus said this, the NT did not exist yet, and Jesus was talking about the OT. All these laws and rules and ways of doing things speak of Jesus. The passover is all about Jesus, and Jesus is our high priest who can never die. In the OT, the children of Israel and even the people in Egypt who were not Jews could be saved if they were under the blood of the lamb. But again, both Jews and Gentiles who were not under the blood would die. So after Jesus died on the cross, we need to be covered in His blood in order to be saved. Jesus is our Passover Lamb.

John 6:53 “Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.”
John 6:54 “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
Eph 2:16 “And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:”

In the OT, we also see Moses speaking to God in the burning bush, and God says to Moses, I AM. Jesus said that He is that I AM of the burning bush and called Himself God: John 8:58 “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, ‘Before Abraham was, I am.'”
Jesus also claimed to be the Manna that fell from Heaven, and many other references to the OT are about Jesus.

So now Jesus is our high priest that can never die, and He also was the passover lamb that was slain for us. We read in Heb 10:1, Paul says, “For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.”

Heb 10:2-4 “For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.”

Now that Jesus is here, we no longer live by the OT laws. The 10 commandments are still in effect and we still live by them. We don’t have the list of ten and follow them that way, but Jesus said this:

Matthew 22:36-40 “Master, which is the great commandment in the law. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

Now, I can put up a list of the ten commandments and sit here and say, I did not lie today, I did not murder today, I did not steal today, etc.
Or I can do as Jesus said and love God and love my neighbor, and then I won’t want to do all the rest of the stuff. If I love God, I won’t lie, or kill, etc. If I love my neighbor, I won’t covet his stuff, his wife, or anything else.

When Matthew mentions the two verses in Leviticus, he purposely left out this verse, (Lev 18:27) “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is an abomination.” He also left these other two verses out:

Lev 18:24-25 “Defile not yourselves in any of these things: for in all of these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: The land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.”

If you back up a few verses you will find the verses on Homosexuality, so it seems by leaving these verses out, Matthew is lying by omission and by being deceitful.

Matthew uses Romans 10:4 “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” Matthew should have also added these verses, yet no surprise he left them out.

Rom 10:5-6 “For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)”

Paul declares Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes. The law cannot make a person righteous before God, nor can it give a person a righteous standing before God. For if the law could give a man a righteous standing before God, then it was not necessary for Christ to die. Jesus, in the garden, prayed, “Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me.” If what is possible? If salvation for man is possible by any other means, if man can be saved by the law, if man can be saved by his own efforts, by his good works, if a man can be saved by sincerity, then, God, let this cup pass from Me. Let the cross pass.

The law ended as I said in the sense that we don’t follow a list of rules, but we still follow the laws in the sense that we do as Jesus said, and that’s love God and love our neighbor.

One purpose of the law was do works. In other words, it was a works based system. Now, we are under grace and live by faith.

Rom 3:20-31 “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Wherefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.”

Now while we are under grace and not the law, that does not mean we can simply do what we want and live however we want and sin all we want, as some feel thats how it works. Here is what Scripture says about that:

Romans 6:
1″What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with,[a] that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. 19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

Rom 8:3 “For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

Rom 9:31-32 “But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;”

Gal 2:16 “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”

Gal 2:21 “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

Gal 3:24 “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”

Heb 7:11-12 “If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.”

So, all the verses that speak of homosexuality in the OT did not just vanish and cease to exist. We see in the N.T. that homosexual acts are still said to be an abomination and wrong in the sight of God. No matter how much a gay person wants that to be false, it simply is not and cannot be supported by the scripture.