I would like to talk about atheism and atheists. Before I do, let me briefly say tht I was a hardcore, God-hating atheist for the first 21-22 years of my life. I will not go into any great detail or claim my life is what all atheists are like. I will say, for me, and speaking only of me, that I was so rotten and evil, I was taken to see a physiologist by my mother at the age of 5. I had a restraining order put on me by a pastor of a church at 16,and my dad kicked me out of the house at 16 because I had the police, sheriff, and state troopers over to my house so often that my dad had had enough.
Atheists make the claim that Christians like to say that only people of faith, or Christians, have morals. I am not the type of person to claim things like this or to argue just one side. I, unlike many Christians and atheists, like to look at both sides and be fair to both sides.
If anyone agrees or disagrees, feel free to share your thoughts. At the end of the day, so to speak, everyone sins. We’re all fallen people and we all sin. Now, I know many atheists will say, “I am not a sinner” or “I do not believe in sin,” and that’s fine. If you don’t feel like you sin or are a sinner, then please explain why you as a human, have at one time in your life or another lied, stolen something, have gotten mad to the point you said or thought that you wish someone were dead, etc. Simply put, are you perfect to the point you have never made a mistake? If you are not perfect, can you explain why you are not?
As Christians who believes the Bible, many, but not all, believe in original sin and believe that since Adam and Eve rebelled against God, sin was brought into the human race, and brought a curse upon the land. This is why we have weeds, we suffer pain in child birth, sweat and suffer aches and pains and work by the sweat of our brow, as the Bible says. But for atheists who do not believe in creation, I am only aware of three views as to how we got here on earth. View 1: I don’t know how we got here; I just know its not from God creating us. View 2: Evolution. View 3: Aliens planted us here on the earth. If there are any other views, I honestly have not heard of them, so please fill me in on them. Thanks.
Now, I mention these other views because if you cannot explain how we got here, and just simply refuse to believe in God, that tells me you don’t want to honestly look into the truth. If aliens planted us here, you have faith; faith in aliens, and no evidence. Then that again means, you cannot explain why you are not perfect? In evolution, you have faith in something, with no evidence. Now, I know many, many, atheists that claim there is tons of evidence. That’s a lie. Everyone I know that believes in evolution feels it is science. Even people who deny evolution, will call it science. When it comes to evolution, I understand atheists claim there is tons of evidence, but in reality, there is zero evidence. First of all, how can anyone really prove the “Big Bang” happened? They cannot. Scientists claim, without evidence, that it simply happened. They cannot reproduce anything even remotely close to it. No one can take nothing and create life from it, but God. Scientists cannot take a bunch of gases and add some sparks and create life. There are many scientists who all claim to believe in evolution, yet cannot agree on the exact details, since its all just a guess and hope that it is true. Some scientists claim millions of years, some claim billion of years, some claim evolution happened so fast that it is now over and that’s why we don’t see monkeys or other animals still evolving. Others claim it is still happening, but so slowly, we wont see it play out in our lifetime. Some scientists are now, and have been for a while, starting to question to the point that they think aliens planted us here and helped build the pyramids and other things. Think that’s a joke? Watch the science channel shows like, “Ancient Aliens,” for example. I saw one video on the internet claiming the “Big Bang” did not really happen, and what happened was that we simply always existed. That was from people who teach and believe in evolution. If you believe we evolved, then did we evolve to lie, cheat, steal, murder, have anger issues, and other things? If so, why? What is the purpose in evolving to do these things? Otherwise, did we evolve into a perfect man and women? And if we evolved perfect, then we “fell” at some point, like it or not. Even atheists use laws and law enforcement trying to fight corruption, stop people from killing other people, or putting people behind bars if they try and rape their family members or steal from them. We know, all people, no matter what faith you claim, commit these sins. Yes, even Christians; we don’t claim to be perfect, just forgiven.
For some good info on this subject, go watch the movie by Ben Stein, “No intelligence Required”. As far as that movie goes, Ben is not a bible believing Christian, so he is not making the movie to side with us Christians. In that movie, all the scientists and people who believe in evolution spoke for themselves and they looked like bumbling idiots. One guy claimed we came from crystals on the backs of turtles. I commented that maybe they only crystals was the Crystal Meth he was smoking. Now, I know from talking with atheists about that movie after many watched it, and read various atheists’ blogs and websites, the vast majority of people claimed Ben edited the movie in such a way to make them look like idiots. But my reply to them was and still is, “Not one of the people interviewed ever made a rebuttal movie adding all the information that claim Ben purposely left out. So why is that? I maintain it’s because they are wrong and they have no honest answers.
As far as atheists go, can you explain why your not perfect, and must make, and use laws? We know atheists over the years have committed horrifying atrocities. I know atheists love to pull the religion card on Christians, and claim we do all these horrible things, but ignore all the horrible things other atheists have done and do. According to the Bible, God gave us laws, and we still have those laws and many more humans created. God gave us laws like: do not murder, do not lie, cheat, or steal; but we humans made many more laws God did not give, such as: you must be a certain age to drink, drive, vote, cannot drive past a set speed, or stop at stop signs. Atheists can claim they don’t believe in God and the Bible, but you do follow and use His laws? At least some do. For example, we know many an atheist has killed people, or raped people, or lied, etc. So if you believe in evolution, then explain a few things to me. 1. Why did we not all simply evolve perfect and loving and kind? 2. If you claim we did, then can you explain why we have so much violence in the world? 3. If you claim, its all due to religion; then can you explain all the atheists that don’t follow or believe religion who do horrific acts of murder and violence?
Lets just mention a few atheists who have committed horrific acts of violence upon fellow man; and it cannot be blamed upon religion.
(Google “top 10 Atheists” for the following information)
Napoleon Bonaparte, heavily involved in the anti-clerical French Revolution, was an atheist – he claimed that “all religions have been made by men”. He was one of the best ever military commanders, and conquered much of Europe. He staged a coup and declared himself Emperor. While he ended anarchy in post-Revolution France, many considered him a tyrant and usurper. He ignored treaties and conventions, seeking undisputed rule throughout Europe. He plundered conquered territories. His 17 years of rule resulted in the bankruptcy of France, loss of many of her territories, six million dead Europeans and economic setback in just one generation.
Kim Jong-Il is the de facto leader of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, and responsible for the deaths of four million of his fellow Koreans.
Jeffrey Dahmer, an infamous serial killer and atheist, sentenced to 900 years in prison, said “if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?” He brutally killed seventeen men and boys, dismembering them, storing their body parts and indulging in cannibalism and necrophilia. In 1991, he was caught by the police after one of his would-be victims escaped. Despite pleading not guilty on the basis on insanity, the court found him sane and fully accountable. He later expressed remorse.
Jim Jones drew people into atheism through the People’s Temple, largely based in California. He said that he “took the church and used the church to bring people to atheism”. In 1978, 909 people at the restricted communist “sanctuary” he presided over in Jonestown, Guyana, committed “revolutionary suicide” at his command. This occurred after the arrival of an American delegation, which he claimed was conspiring against the People’s Temple. Men, women and children took a vial of cyanide and died within five minutes. Only a few people escaped. This event was the largest single loss of American civilian life, in a non-natural disaster, up until 9/11.
Mussolini is notorious for his war crimes as a Fascist dictator during World War II. As a young man he openly declared his atheism, and in his early career as a politician was openly anti-clerical. He was the Italian leader of the National Fascist Party, became Prime Minister in 1922 and was eventually a dictator who severely restricted freedom of speech. Mussolini supported Hitler’s conquest of Austria. In 1935, he invaded Ethiopia, using poison gas, bombing Red Cross hospitals and concentration camps to kill civilians and destroy “inferior” cultures. He ordered the execution of prisoners without trial and the shooting of “witch-doctors”. Italian troops used public executions, hostage taking and burning of villages to crush the Slavic population of Yugoslavia. These acts are now widely considered an attempt at genocide. However, later he tried to associate Fascism with Catholicism in order to garner dwindling support (however his widow made it clear that he was still staunchly atheist). Mussolini was also deeply anti-Semitic.
Mao Zedong led the Communist Party of China to victory in the Chinese Civil War, helping to establish the People’s Republic of China. He had ambitions for a strong China, but his programs largely failed altogether. He has been blamed for the death of between 20 and 67 million of his “comrades”. He also targeted anyone with links to the Chinese Nationalist Party as well as anyone who posed a threat to him. Five million were executed in death camps. 36 million were persecuted and tortured. There were even instances of cannibalism.
Pol Pot was the leader of the Khmer Rouge and Prime Minister of Cambodia from 1976 to 1979, having been de facto leader since mid-1975. During his time in power Pol Pot imposed an extreme version of agrarian communism, where all city dwellers were relocated to the countryside to work in collective farms and forced labour projects. The combined effect of slave labour, malnutrition, poor medical care and executions is estimated to have killed around 2 million Cambodians (approximately one third of the population). His regime achieved special notoriety by singling out all intellectuals, and other “bourgeois enemies”, for murder. The Khmer Rouge committed mass executions in sites known as the Killing Fields, and the executed were buried in mass graves. In order to save ammunition, executions were often carried out using hammers, axe handles, spades or sharpened bamboo sticks. His attempts to “cleanse” the country resulted in the deaths of 1.7 to 2.5 million people. He also had an intense dislike of anyone with the semblance of being intelligent, such as those who wore glasses or who spoke another language.1
Stalin-4Stalin was General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union’s Central Committee, from 1922 until his death in 1953. Under Stalin’s leadership, the Ukraine suffered a famine (Holodomor) so great it is considered by many to be an act of genocide on the part of Stalin’s government. Estimates of the number of deaths range from 2.5 million to 10 million. The famine was caused by direct political and administrative decisions. In addition to the famine, Stalin ordered purges within the Soviet Union of any person deemed to be an enemy of the state (i.e. capitalists, theists). In total, estimates of the total number murdered under Stalin’s reign, range from 10 million to 60 million. His government promoted atheism with mass propaganda in school, and held a terror campaign against the religious. He crushed the Russian Orthodox Church, leveling thousands of churches and shooting more than 100,000 priests, monks and nuns between 1937 and 1938.N.B.
We’re looking at the low end just from a few of these men in the range of 100 million dead. This is from atheists.
I know many atheists will complain and say that when it comes to religion, people kill in the name of their God, or there leaders; atheists don’t have a leader that they follow and do not answer to a god that they claim told them to kill. I would say, that’s not true. All the dictators I named did not kill millions of people all by themselves. They had people who worked for them and answered to them following orders, so it was lots of atheists, following orders of a leading atheist dictator. Now just like atheists, there are religions who have done evil things. I, for one, am not denying this or claiming it never happened. But I am saying: 1. I get tired of atheists acting like they never do these things and its only Christians who do. 2. All these religions who kill in the name of their gods – Mormonism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, and many, many other religions are not Christians. Stop acting like its only Christians, and all other religions do not do these things. Also, true, bible believing, God-fearing Christians do not go out and kill in the name of Jesus.
This proves people who claim Christians do kill, have either never read the Bible, or they claim they read the Bible and ignore what it says. The Bible tells us, we are not to hate anyone, and not to commit murder. Jesus even said, not everyone who says, Lord , Lord will enter heaven, and Jesus said, you are of your father the devil, and Jesus and the Bible tells us, we are not of God if we hate a brother, or we do evil things. I have meet many Christians who hate it when I say this, but they hate it because they really dont care what the Bible says, they dont care about truth, and they simply want to blame Christians. So if people claim Christians killed people in the crusades or maybe someone claiming to kill an abortion doctor because they are a christian, or God told them to do it, they are liars and not true, bible believing Christians.
Why is it, if someone claims to be a christian, and they kill someone, atheists claim he must be a christian, because he said he was, and therefore, I am standing by what he said, he is a Christian? But, if someone dresses up on Halloween as a cop and robs someone, no one claims they were really a cop; they know they were using it as a ruse. Take John Wayne Gacy. He dressed up as a clown and murdered many people, yet no one says, “Well, I guess he was a clown,” so he gives clowns a bad name. People know better. They just keep it on people claiming to be Christians, but everyone else is just faking.
We can also look at people who were/are atheists who did not kill people, but still did/do sick twisted things such as molest kids, or rape women, or rob banks, etc. Here is one example: Alfred Kinsey was an infamous American biologist and professor of entomology and zoology, who made groundbreaking research on human sexuality. Undoubtedly, he helped to progress social values – but, nevertheless, he took sadistic pleasure out of his research, and did some very weird stuff, including exploiting children for sex.
How does someone like Alfred Kinsey evolve into a person who does such vile things? Since Atheists deny morals come from God, then who decided what was right and what was wrong? Who was it that said, “Rape is wrong and we will make laws saying so?” Who decided it was wrong? How come the rapists did not say, “No, its good and don’t judge me and tell me what I can and cannot do?” Or we could say the same about murder, lying, stealing, etc. Who decided? Did they vote upon it and the majority ruled? It seems if we look around, the prisons are overflowing and keep being built, and the courts keep making more laws, and more cops are being added. When will it start getting better? Why does it seem to get worse? Look around the world. It’s getting worse and worse. Let’s not forget: we had 2 world wars, plus civil wars, and all the minor wars throughout the world. How is this explained apart from sin? If you resort to blaming religion, then I must repeat, what about all the atheists who kill and mass murder.
Now here are some quotes from former scientists; some might be dead now, but scientists non the less.
The Conventional Picture of human evolution is a completely Human Invention created after the fact, shaped to accord with human prejudices. To take a line of fossils and claim that they represent a linage IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC HYPOTHESIS THAT CAN BE TESTED, But an assertion that carries the SAME VALIDITY AS A BEDTIME STORY- amusing, perhaps even instructive, BUT NOT SCIENTIFIC. Henry Gee, “In search of deep time, beyond the fossil Record to a new History of life”, Nature Magazine 1999
Another quote by Mr Henry:
“The Intervals of time that separate fossils are so huge that we cannot say anything definite about their possible connection through ancestry and descent. Each fossil is an isolated point, with no knowable connection to any other given fossil, and all float around in overwhelming sea of gaps. All the fossil evidence for human evolution between ten and five million years ago- several thousand generations of living creatures-can be fitted into a small Box” Henry Gee, “In search of deep time, beyond the fossil Record to a new History of life”, Nature Magazine 1999
At least he is honest, the evidence is pretty much next to zero.
This scientist, George Wald who is/was a Harvard Professor Emeritus of Biology, and a 1971 Nobel prize winner in Biology said this:
There are only two possible explanations as to how life arose: Spontaneous Generation arising to evolution or a supernatural creative act of God…
There is no other possibility.
Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved 120 years ago by Louis Pasteur and others, But that leaves us with only one other possibility…
that life came as a supernatural act of creation of God, but I can’t accept that philosophy because I do not want to believe in God.
Therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation leading to evolution.
George Wald “Origin, life and evolution,” Scientific American (1978).
I have said many time over and over, evolution, and believing in evolution, is a religion. Since everyone tries to tell me I am wrong, then think about what this guy says.
Michael Ruse considers himself both an atheist and agnostic, but believes that “new atheism” is a disservice to science and loathes the term “Humanist”.
In his book “The Evolution-creation struggle” Michael Ruse interprets the last 200 years of conflict between biology and religion as a struggle between evolutionism and Creationism. Evolutionism is not merely an endorsement of the scientific theory of evolution. It consists of “the whole metaphysical or ideological picture built around or on evolution.” As such, it constitutes a “Secular Religion.” Thus for Ruse (a philosopher of science at Florida State University), the debate over Creationism and Evolutionism is more a conflict between Two Religions than one between Religion and Science. The Journal of Science July 22, 2005
So, we have an atheist and agnostic who teaches in school that evolution is a religion. He claims to hate God and denies God, yet claims evolution and creation are two religions competing.
There is no known law of nature, no known process and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter. Werner Gitt, Professor, German Federal Institute of Physics and Technology, (Quoted June 2000)
Lets look at the “Scientific method.” It goes like this.
1. State the problem
2. Formulate the problem
3. Make observations
4. Design the experiment
5. Interpret data
6. Draw conclusions
7. Report results
Now many atheists have stated this method to me when I say I don’t agree with certain points in science.
I never said I don’t agree with science period. I do. I am a professional chef and baker with 30 plus years experience, and baking is really science.
Now apply these points to the Big Bang.
1. State the problem (How did we get here?) Or where did human life come from?
2. Formulate the problem It was either God who created us, Or we simply don’t know how we got here and can only ASSUME we came via the Big Bang, or maybe aliens, or as one guy stated, or crystals on the backs of turtles.
3. Make observations (We cannot do this)
4. Design the experiment (We cannot do this)
5. Interpret data (We cannot do this)
6. Draw conclusions (We can only do this by faith with out evidence)
7. Report results (We have no results to report)
So, I’m not opposed to science. I’m simply saying evolution, like belief in God, is a FAITH. You cannot prove evolution in a lab by the “Scientific Method.”
Since you cannot, you must simply believe it took place; that is called faith.
If evolution is true and can and has been proved, then please explain these quotes?
The Anthropic Principle, simply stated, is the fine tuning of the physical universe to allow life to exist on this planet. In order to reach this mind boggling degree of fine tuning with so many different parameters, smacks of some form of intelligent Design. According to Penrose, it had to have been accurate to with in one part in 10 to 10(123), and this is a number so vast that it cannot be written on apiece of paper the size of the entire visible Universe!. Michael A. Corey (The God Hypothesis).
That’s a pretty big chance that we arrived by the “Big Bang” or random chance.
How about this:
The occurrence of any event where the chances are beyond 1 in 10 followed by 50 zeros is an event which we CAN STATE WITH CERTAINTY WILL NEVER HAPPEN, no matter how much time is alloted and no matter how many conceivable opportunities could exist for the event to take place. Emile Borel Probabilities and life, 1962.
Now, that’s two Scientists who don’t think life just arose, yet you won’t care because they disagree with you.
Here is a third:
The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to a number with 40,000 zeros after it…
It is big enough bury Darwin and the whole theory of Evolution. There was no primeval soup, neither on this planet nor any other, and if the beginnings of life were not random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence. Fred Hoyle PH.D Hoyle on Evolution, Nature November 1981.
A team of Australian Scientists led by theoretical physicists Paul Davis has proposed that the speed of light may not be a constant, a revolutionary idea that could unseat one of the most cherished laws of modern physics- Einstein’s theory of relativity. If so, physicists will have to rethink many of their basic ideas about the laws of the universe. When one of the cornerstones of physics collapses. It is not obvious what you hang onto and what you discard, Davis said. Scientific journal Nature, August 8 2002
The cosmos contains roughly 10(90) bits of information. By factoring in the available energy and the speed of light, Lloyd estimates the universe could have performed at most 10(120) logical operations since the big bang. Lloyd says, “If we wanted to simulate the universe on a computer, such a computer would have to be as powerful as the universe it’s self. In reality, we can only make crude approximations, because all the computer that ever existed on earth have carried out just 10(31) operations.
Now let me end the issue of Science with this:
There is a pretty big name professor in evolution; his name is Jerry Allen Coyne. There is info about him; you can simply google his name and this all will come up.
He is an American professor of biology, known for his work on speciation and his commentary on intelligent design. A prolific scientist and author, he has published dozens of papers elucidating the theory of evolution. I mention this guy because he is a Ph.D. Professor Department of Ecology and Evolution Biological Sciences in Chicago, and around a year or so ago I reached out to him and ask him if he would be willing to come on my radio show and talk to me about evolution vs creation. Without hesitation, he wrote back and said, “No way.” We went back and forth with a few emails, and he was adamant that he wanted nothing to do with me. I did mention him on my radio show, as I told him I would. Then, I posted an article on my website with our emails proving our exchange. I must say, “Wow, a professor with a PH.D and pretty serious credentials won’t talk with me on my radio show.”